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Streamlining Your Online Summit with Jamie Boggeln


You wear all the hats in your business—but let’s face it, there absolutely comes a point in your business where you can’t do it all alone.

Often the first place we hire help is with a virtual assistant.

Today’s guest is Jamie Boggeln, a virtual assistant who specializes in helping business owners pull off summits. Jamie and I talk about how summits have changed over the years (she hosted her first summit in 2014), how YOU can learn to let go of doing ALL the things, and some best practices for hosting your own summit.

Listen in!

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About Jamie Boggeln

Jamie Boggeln is a sought-after Virtual Assistant for online entrepreneurs, who has started several businesses of her own. Jamie empowers entrepreneurs to build momentum in their businesses, be seen online, and get amazing results-producing virtual summits.

Jamie resides in San Diego, CA with her husband and 3 kids. Follow Jamie on Facebook or check out her Bomb Ass Summit courses!

Transcription

Abby Herman
Hey there, and welcome to Episode 115 of the Content Experiment Podcast, a podcast that supports the idea that content and marketing are ever moving targets in any business. And it’s okay if you don’t feel like you’re doing it. All right all of the time, you have permission to experiment with little tweaks and changes in your content, to find what works for you, what increases value for your audience, and what grows, your business, and most importantly, what feels good for you. I’m Abby Herman, content strategist and coach for online business owners who are ready to make a bigger impact online. I firmly believe that success isn’t about what big marketing brands and so called gurus think is the right thing. It’s about you and your business, your lifestyle, and, frankly, your values and belief systems. You get to do business in a way that works for you. Are you new to the podcast? Welcome. I think that you’ll find this podcast to be full of no nonsense support to help inspire you to get your message out there and give you the actionable steps you need to make it happen. If you’d like what you hear, hit the subscribe button so you don’t miss another episode.

Now, if you’re a repeat listener, I am guessing that you’re liking what you’re hearing. So I want to tell you something. I love doing this podcast. I love the interviews and the solo episodes, the planning and getting this information into your earbuds. But it takes a lot of time and financial resources to get it done. So I would so appreciate it. If you would pay it forward, would you take five minutes, maybe even less than that and go to your podcast app right now, to leave this episode, a five star rating and review, you can probably get it done. While you’re listening to this intro ratings and reviews are what help tell Apple Spotify, Stitcher and all the other platforms and to me that you like what you’re hearing, and it helps to get the podcast in more earbuds. so others can benefit from the information that the guests and I are throwing down on a regular basis. So thank you so much for taking the time to go over and do that. Today’s episode is brought to you by content mastery lab, a membership community that supports business owners, by helping you through identifying the right content to create for your audience, from market research to ideation to creation iteration in publication, it’s an offers support feedback, community accountability, and so much more. Because you really can’t just sit down and just decide that you’re going to create content for your business, you need to have a plan, and you need to have some space to tweak and adjust that plan when needed. Sometimes it takes a little bit of time to get there, you have to try out a few things, experiment with different types of content, do something that you’ve never done before, make a little tweak, and make a change. See how your audience reacts. But it’s not about creating an entire overhaul of your content. It’s about experimenting, trying out little things that feel good to you. And that is exactly what we do inside the content mastery lab membership community.

So stop floundering with trying to figure it all out yourself and start creating content with a confidence that you’re on the right path. You can join us monthly or quarterly or commit to a whole year for extra one to one time with me and quarterly planning parties where we work through your content together in an intimate group, head to the content experiment comm slash lab for more information and to sign up. And if you use the coupon code podcast, you can try out your first month for $1. Now today we are talking about hiring help in your business because let’s face it, there absolutely comes a point in your business where you can’t do it all alone. And often the first place we hire help is with a virtual assistant. Our guest today is Jamie bioglan, a virtual assistant who specializes in helping business owners pull off summit and on this episode you’re going to hear about how summits have changed over the years. She actually hosted her first summit in 2014 which is before I even knew that summits existed.

You’re also going to hear how you can learn to let go of doing all of the things in your business because I know that that is so difficult for us to do as business owners and Jamie will also share some best practices for hosting groans And if summits are on your to do list like something that you really want to do, I highly recommend attending Jamie’s summit. It’s called a bomb ass summit, where we’re a host of experts, including yours truly will teach you how to build, promote and launch your own summit. We’re talking a little bit about that in the episode as well. Now before we get to the interview, let me tell you a little bit about Jamie Baldwin. As a sought after virtual assistant for online entrepreneurs Jamie Baldwin has empowered many entrepreneurs to build momentum in their businesses to be seen and get amazing results producing online summits. Jamie has also founded several businesses of her own including tumble gymboss, a children’s mobile gym, and nutrition program in San Diego County. fab mommy lifestyle mom empowerment coaching and now my VA girl a virtual assistant agency. Jamie is energizing, inspiring and truly motivational and it shines through in this episode. She resides in San Diego, California with her husband and three kids and she loves riding in her golf cart along the one on one watching the waves of Southern California’s beaches. That sounds fabulous. Let’s listen into our conversation. Hi, Jamie, thank you so much for joining me today.

Jamie Boggeln
Hey, Abby, this is great. I love it.

Abby Herman
I am so excited to talk all things, hiring help in your business and all things summit. And I can’t wait to dig in and chat with you. Because you are an expert in both. You see, right. Especially coming off like having just had a summit of my own. I’m excited to talk about what it looks like from somebody else’s perspective, like, you know, helping somebody with their summit.

Jamie Boggeln
It’s so different to do it to do like host one and then also to like build one.

Abby Herman
Yes. So before we get into all the juicy details, can you share with listeners what you do and who you do it for?

Jamie Boggeln
Yeah, so I’m a virtual assistant, and I help online. course creators and coaches and healers, basically, like build momentum in their business. So by creating these summits, the online shows that really just helps establish authority for them, like I said, builds momentum in their business, and builds their email list.

Abby Herman
I like that I love building the email list. Yes. Can you share a little bit about how you work with clients? Like what what that looks like to work with someone like you? And then how does the way that you’ve structured your business help you to live the lifestyle that you want? Of course, yeah.

Jamie Boggeln
So well, living the lifestyle I want. Like, basically, the reason I created this position for myself was because I wasn’t able to live the lifestyle that I wanted, I had three kids COVID had just hit now I have three kids at home, and I’m supposed to be the teacher. And I was like, I can’t do this. So I started my virtual assistant business, so that I could work, you know, in the time slots of when they had downtime or whatever. So I’m able to do that. And now that some of them, some of them are back to school, get picked up half day, like, I’m able to just like get up, walk away, I don’t have the meetings to attend. I don’t have to clock in that kind of thing. So and then really like next weekend is spring break for my kids, I’m able to just like take the whole week off. Like I planned it if I didn’t have to like ask my boss or anybody. I just like did it, you know, and I’m super excited about that. So that was one reason I really, really was excited to start. Yeah, and create the lifestyle. So and then what was the first question?

Abby Herman
The first question is like, what does it look like to work with to work with you?

Jamie Boggeln
What does right? Okay, so um, as a virtual assistant for summit specifically, I basically, there’s three packages you can choose from it’s like basic tech all the way up to like, the high in bad mamma jamma kind of thing. But basically, I can do all the tech stuff for you. So I’m super, super organized. And basically, I can lead you through the whole process. So especially if you’re a newbie, and you don’t really understand everything yet. You’re super overwhelmed. You’re in that like spin tailspin. Yeah, I’m able to just be like, okay, in one week, I need this from you. Can you do that? And then you just get it done. And then I go, Okay, this is your next step. So but yeah, basically, I handle all the like tech headaches for you.

Abby Herman
Do you do like week of support as well for clients?

Jamie Boggeln
Of course. Yeah. Yeah, I’m definitely I guess stayed till the end and even afterwards. So I know some people like to do like surveys at the end, I’ll say all the way through that.

Abby Herman
Nice, nice, that’s really helpful to have. And again, after having just hosted a summit, I know that, yeah, like that’s it’s needed having somebody around who has done it before is definitely needed. I hired someone to help me with the website, the summit website. And she did a lot of the back end tech stuff as well, which was really, really nice, because then my operations manager and I could just focus on the engagement and the Facebook group. And, you know, the things that that kind of broke partway through to which, you know, luckily, I had somebody on board to help with that. So I didn’t have to worry about it quite so much.

Jamie Boggeln
But I just talked to the lady training her virtual assistant to do the summit for her. So she’s learning how to do the summit. And then on top of that, she’s training her VA and like, that doesn’t make sense. It’s so hard.

Abby Herman
Yeah, it really is. It really is. Alright, well, let’s, I want to talk a little bit about just outsourcing in general, not necessarily summit’s, but just outsourcing in general to a virtual assistant. So I’m speaking from experience when I say that, I’m sure that even though someone hires you to, like, you know, take over things for them. My guess is because it’s totally happened to me, there’s still a lot of resistance on the business owners part because they, it’s their baby, they’re reluctant to let go, they end even like totally guilty here, but they expect you to read their mind. Because, you know, no one teaches you teaches you how to onboard new people into your business. No one teaches you how to Well, nobody teaches you how to be a business owner period anyway. Unless you go to school for that, which I did not. But what does that look like? I mean, can you talk us through a little bit of just the whole letting go process? And the Yeah, I mean, because the whole point of paying someone like you is to let go of some of those pieces and our business, but we still hold on to them so tight. Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie Boggeln
So it’s really about trusting, so trusting, like and I and I’m super, I feel like I’m a like an intuitive kind of person. So if I get on the phone with somebody, and I want to hire them, I’m gonna see if I feel like connected to them in that way. But really, it’s about trusting like, okay, I trust this person, I’m going to trust that she gets it done, or Hey, I’m basically just like it, you know, what I find is so helpful, though, is like, once they finally do, like, Okay, I’m gonna let it go, I’ll suggest something. And they’re like, Oh, I didn’t even think of that. Like, that’s awesome. You know, and it’s just the collaboration between the two people that really makes it like thrive, and grow and be amazing is just that collaboration, you get to be in your genius zone. So I don’t typically work with other vas I work with like healers, or coaches, business coaches, like speakers. And this tech stuff is like a headache for them. So it lets them be in their healing genius zone, or it lets them be in their like business coaching zone, where I can just be like, okay, let’s map it out. Like, let me get your vision, we’ll put it on paper. And then I will build it for you and you just trust and then when it happens, they’re super stoked, you know?

Abby Herman
Yeah. Oh, yeah. What happens when you do run into some of that resistance or micromanagement? Yeah, things like that.

Jamie Boggeln
You know, I just, I mean, this is in when it comes down to it, it’s their business. They’re the ones so if they suggest something, I’m always like, yeah, that’s your business. Let’s go for it. Like, let’s go that way. For instance, I’ve had somebody like, just take over all the, like, editing graphics, and it was like, okay, that’s how they wanted it. Like, sure. It and for me, it’s also like a part of letting go to because that’s, like, not the work that I’m proud of. So I don’t want to promote it, you know? Yeah. It’s, it’s just about coming together and collaborating on it.

Abby Herman
Yeah. Yeah. No, that totally makes sense. Um, I mean, I’ve run into similar challenges, I guess, with with clients who I don’t necessarily so I, you know, my team and I are creating content for them. And I don’t necessarily agree with the end product because of the changes that were made. And so, yeah, it is hard. It’s like, Alright, I have to let go, but you have to let go of that because you’re right. It is their business as you know. And and I also recognize that different clients, different business owners have their own way of doing things thrown style, their own You know, sometimes it’s wording changes to match what they’re actually saying, you know, when they get up on the stage and talk or when they’re working with their own clients or things like that. So, yeah, it is hard. But yeah, no, I get that. I totally get that. So you specifically help business owners launch summits. So why summits? Why? Why did you settle? And not that you were settling? Why did you Why did you niche into summit? That’s what I meant to say.

Jamie Boggeln
I started doing summits, I had a service based business back in 2014. And I hired a business coach who taught me how to build a summit. And really, like establish my name in I’m in San Diego, so established my name in San Diego and it worked. It was awesome. I started getting all these like bookings all because I did this summit, right. And the summit was honestly not that great.

But yeah, and so but in San Diego, nobody was doing that. And so that created like authority, like wow, this girl’s really like going all out for it. Um, so that was so that. So that’s my that was like my first intro to a summit, I had no idea that I was actually really doing a summit. I just really trusted in this coach. And I like believed what she would say. And I just followed the steps. And I did it. And then it worked. Right. And I was like, Wow, I didn’t know that’s what I signed up for. So I did a few more and they were great. And then I ended up working for another coach, like as an employee, so I let my business go. But that’s what she was doing. Right. And so we were doing summits, we were doing events, we were doing live events, and virtual events, and then COVID hit. And so that’s like all I’ve known for the last, what, six, seven years. And I was like, I can do this, like I can be a VA I can create my schedule, I can help people. There’s lots of people doing Um, and so that’s that’s how I became a summit VA.

Abby Herman
Interesting. And so you must, you must thrive on the energy that comes with putting on events and putting on some of them.

Jamie Boggeln
Yeah, so I’d like that’s my thing I love supporting. So I’m always the supporter. I’ll help people out. But I’m also like the promoter like yeah, this is super exciting. So that’s, that’s what I feel like these events are.

Abby Herman
Yeah. Oh, yeah, totally. I love that. Um, so you’ve been doing this a long time. You said 2014? Yeah. So and we were talking before I hit record. And like, I had no idea what a summit even was in 2014. And I don’t really know that there were a lot of online events, then either. Not that I recall at least. And I’ve been I left my full time job in 2013. So I’ve been so I was in this full time then. So tell me like, how has How have summit’s changed. I feel like everybody’s doing a summit right now or doing online events, because we have to, like, you know, we can’t do in person stuff right now. But how have they changed over the years? What have you noticed?

Jamie Boggeln
So when I was summit, it was like, you have to do 21 days, one expert a day. So it was like a 21 day summit. And people really watch them they back then. Now I don’t think that would work. Like 21 days. I just feel like people lose like, Nope, I don’t have the time or the like, the focus to watch it all every day. So Hmm. And then now they’re doing the one day’s like, and they’re doing them live. They’re not pre recorded anymore. And they’re doing I’m back to back to back like a couple times a month, you know, and it’s like, Whoa, yeah. So they’re working though they’re building people’s lists. They’re building authority. They’re getting people’s names out there. They’re networking.

Abby Herman
Yeah. Give me an example of a summit structure that you have seen clients have a lot of success with, because so that’s it. So the 21 days one expert a day is so different from the one day live event. Yeah. What do you feel like is and I know that there’s a million different options in between, right? What do you feel like is kind of a really good sweet spot or some someplace where you have seen people have a lot of success.

Jamie Boggeln
And so I feel like it’s really just dependent on the community. So you got business communities, you got healer communities,

Abby Herman
and it’s a business like a b2b because I have a lot of listeners, I

Jamie Boggeln
think short and fast. So for instance, I have one coming out tomorrow and it’s three days you can watch like a couple a day, and then get it all in and then it’s done. You know. So I think Short and fast otherwise people just lose their, their train of thought with it.

Abby Herman
Yeah. Do you have any tips as far as like, must have technology that you really recommend?

Jamie Boggeln
I do. So my all time favorite is this new, it’s a new beta program. Can I plug it? Sure, yeah. vendler I can even give you the link to but it’s awesome. So it’s, it’s like an all in one platform. You don’t need zoom, you don’t need um, basically build your landing pages build it, you don’t need like MailChimp or anything it does your marketing, your email marketing. It’s got like all the drag and drops. And it’s super easy to use. Like to me if you’re going to do a summit, do it all in one platform, especially if you’re new, because trying to like in your head map out the roadmap of like, Okay, I’ve got MailChimp over here. It’s going to connect to my WordPress over here. And it’s like an all in one platform is there and there’s, there’s lots out there. But this is my new one that I’m just like, Oh, it’s so easy. In fact, that’s what I built my mine in.

Abby Herman
Your summit, which we’ll talk about that in just a minute because I’m okay about that too. But um, so Zen ler. So what I did for my summit is I had a website that had the speaker presentations that would go live, so the pages were scheduled that they would go live at a certain time each day, then they would go away after 24 hours. So I had that. And I had my all access pass in member vault. Yep. And we had the to purchase the all access pass through thrive cart. And we had Active Campaign for all of the emails that went out. And I’m sure that I’m forgetting Oh, and the Facebook group for the community and all that. So yeah, there’s all these different pieces. And and it’s a lot I agree it’s it’s a lot of stuff and and all of those things aside from the website, which I had built for the summit, everything else already existed in my business, and I’ve already used it. But how cool would it be to just have everything in one spot? Especially if you’re going to do it if you’re going to do it multiple times. I feel like that makes a lot of sense to have only

Jamie Boggeln
Totally. You just re repurpose everything. Yeah. Cloning is like key in virtual assistant world.

Abby Herman
Yes. So Zenler, we will include a link in the show notes. Cool. So let’s so you touched on your summit a little bit. So it’s bomb as summit. Yeah, is coming up the day after this goes live. So everybody register now. But um, talk to me a little bit about the summit. So if people are still listening, my guess is they’re interested in summits and what they might do for their business, which your summit is perfect for that. Can you share just a little bit about it?

Jamie Boggeln
Yeah. So Bomb Ass Summit. And we’re going to talk about building, promoting and launching your summit. So we’re going to talk a little bit tech in there. And basically, it’s just so that you can create amazing results so that you are memorable, so that you have all the pieces in order, when you start your summit. And it’s just all in one spot I want to be I want everyone to be able to have this as like a toolkit of like, Okay, I’m building. Okay, so let me see. Let’s watch these. All right. All right. Now, now I’m moving into the promoting, how do I promote? What am I going to do? So we’re going to talk about like Facebook and Instagram and affiliate links and things like that. So yeah, I know, this is like all geeky stuff. If you don’t know what summits are.

Abby Herman
I think most of the listeners do. And I mean, I have to say, too, so a couple of weeks ago, I had an episode, it’s episode number 111. I like that just want to go back and listen. So I did kind of a recap of my own summit and what I what worked, what went really well, what didn’t go very well, and what I’m doing differently next time. And one of the things that I mentioned that I’m doing differently next time, is planning further ahead, which I feel like I mean, I started planning for a mid March summit. I started planning in December, early December, but I still felt like the holidays are in there. So I still felt really crunched for time. And at the same time as the same time I was planning the summit, the one on one side of my business completely exploded in a really good way. And so I had limited time I hired two employees during the summit planning process. I already had one and so it was just like this massive growth. And I did not have I still felt like there were things that I wanted to do that I wasn’t for the summit that I wasn’t able to at the same time I wasn’t sleeping or anything like that or exercise. And you’re doing anything healthy for myself. So it’s a lot. It’s a lot of planning,

Jamie Boggeln
I would actually say 90 days is about what I like, that’s ideal. Really. I mean, I get people who are like, Can you do this in two weeks? Like, Oh, my God.

Abby Herman
For premium pricing? Yes, I can.

Jamie Boggeln
Especially to find, especially to find your experts and like build them the relationship with them, that kind of thing. But yeah, giving yourself 90 days, I would say is like, is key. Mm hmm. Which is why I think it’s really like, when people do these, like, one after the other. I’m like, oh, how do they like, I just feel like they need to slow down a little bit, just to breathe just to breathe.

Abby Herman
But they probably just have their systems. So yeah, hold down after doing. Yeah, definitely. After doing one, I definitely do not have my systems nailed down. But I can see after doing three or four, that that that might be possible.

Jamie Boggeln
Was this your first one, this last one.

Abby Herman
Yeah. The next one is in the fall. And then after that, I don’t know.

Jamie Boggeln
If you would every three months to four year.

Abby Herman
God, no, no, no. I have gray hair.

Jamie Boggeln
It gets way easier. So remember, when I said my first one was like, horrible. My next one was better. My by the time I got to my fourth one. I was like, Yeah, I got this.

Abby Herman
I think my team would quit on me if we did that. So because I have not been very present. And yeah, and my family would would strangle me and all of that.

Jamie Boggeln
You have a family too.

Abby Herman
Well, I have a daughter. She doesn’t care. She she’s 18. She doesn’t say she is like, oh, you’re here. You exist right now. Yeah. But yeah, my dogs, my dogs want to spend time with me.

Jamie Boggeln
Yeah, I think I was gonna say that you mentioned is, after your summit, you said what works? What didn’t work? I highly suggest that everybody does that. Like, you really just like contemplate on it and like, sit with it. And it like all that stuff will pop up, write it down. So that when you do do your next one, you’re like, Oh, yeah, I forgot that happened. Like, I don’t want that to happen.

Abby Herman
Totally. My operations manager and I each had our own running list going during, like during the planning stages. And then, during the summit itself, we each had a list. So when something like you said when something happened, we wrote it down. And then we she and I got together, like four or five days after the end of the summit and went through the list together and took notes. And so we know exactly how things are going to look differently next time. So yeah, and then and then what we need to do is, so we have on our calendars that we’re going to start in May of 2021, we’re going to start planning for the fall summit. And so what we need to do is sit down and review everything again, because we’ll forget in the month and a half in between. So between now and then. So go through that and revisit the list, make new lists, and then start the actual planning. Yes, that’s our, that’s the plan. It’s gonna be you’re gonna love. She’s listening, and hopefully right now, and she’s writing all that information down. So she knows, that’s what’s in my head. Now let’s make it happen. Remember, I said that? Well, I’m really excited about the summit. It’s again, it’s called bomb ass summits to build, promote and launch your online summits to deliver amazing results. And I’m super happy to be a part of it and to be speaking at the summit. Thank you again. Can you remind everyone when the summit is?

Jamie Boggeln
Yeah, so it’s going to launch on April 20 21st, and 22nd. And the interviews are only going to be live for 24 hours. So make sure you watch them there’s about three to four each day. But they’re quick you can when you can even speed them up. But yeah, make sure you watch them and then we’ll you’re gonna get lots of tips. It’s amazing. I’m having so much fun recording the videos. I like learning so much myself. Like I honestly, I’ve been around forever in the summit world, but I am learning. And that’s kind of that’s kind of why I did this too, so that I can learn other people’s tips and tricks and how to build bomb estimates.

Abby Herman
Yeah, well, I mean, it’s everything changes. So with the technology. And just the way Yeah, there’s so many different ways to host a summit and technology changes so quickly and best practices change, change. And there are so many different options like now even then there were a year ago. So yeah, I think that it’s really important for I’m all about lifelong learning. I’m all about taking classes. attending workshops and things like that so that I can get better at what I do. So yeah, even if you’ve hosted a summit before, I bet that you’re going to get great information and tips and tricks.

Jamie Boggeln
Yeah, you can only get better. Really.

Abby Herman
Yeah, totally, totally. So it’s April 20. You guys, that’s tomorrow, if you’re listening to this in real time, so make sure you go register right now you can go to the content experiment, comm slash bomb like Bo MB, and to grab your free ticket. So I can’t wait. So before we wrap up, yeah, could you I know, we talked about all kinds of tips and tricks and ideas and things like that for hosting a summit and for hiring someone to help with that. Before we leave, can you share maybe like the two biggest takeaways that you would like to see people take and take action on?

Jamie Boggeln
Yeah, so hiring a VA, like, you don’t have to hire me. hire somebody to help you. You need someone to lean on, you need someone out there, that if something does go wrong, you guys can play off each other, you guys can have that trust with each other. So hiring a VA and then the other thing is be super organized. So when you work with me, I have it’s called a deliverable Doc, and everything is basically in this document. And you can find all the links, you can find all the speakers, you can find like all their phone numbers, if you need to text them or call them. Basically, it’s all in this one document. So just organizing yourself. And then what you can do is just copy and paste it for the next show. So it’s there. They’re awesome. be organized. makes you think way easier.

Abby Herman
Yes, it does. I yes, I had that something similar. And so I always had like my go to place of please recognize this what you would do, but it works.

Jamie Boggeln
Usually I find like a lot of my clients aren’t tech, like tech scares them. And so I’m like, Okay, everyone can use a Google Doc, right? Oh, yeah.

Abby Herman
Yes, yes. Awesome. Well, Jamie, thank you so much for being here. And I cannot wait to listen into all of the wonderful speakers at the summit starting tomorrow. So thank you for that. And and thank you for letting me be a part of it, too. Of course. Abby.

Jamie Boggeln
Thank you. I love this. This was fun.

Abby Herman
Yes. So this episode in talking to Jamie made me really grateful that I had help and planning and pulling off my own summit organization is truly the key and I could not have done it without help in my own business. Now if you are ready to get started experimenting with content and marketing in your own business without having to do all the guesswork yourself, remember that you can join us inside content mastery lab at the content experiment.com slash lab and use the coupon code podcast to get your first month for $1 Pricing starts at just $97 A month after that. And we also have quarterly and yearly options. If you found value in what you learned here today, be sure to share it on social media. Take a screenshot of the episode on your phone and share it over on Instagram stories. You can tag me out the content experiment or Abby Herman. The more you share, the more we can get the podcast into the hands of more business owners just like you who need to hear the message that they are not alone. Until next time, take care.

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